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okay now for our interview with dr. Jack

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Sarfatti I started by asking him whether

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he liked being referred to by some as a

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hippie scientist well nobody won or

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something that's not me I was never

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hippy okay that's that's that's the the

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publishers trying to sell books some of

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my guys were hippies

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I was yeah I was a bohemian that's

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different

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Bohemians when you're too young to hear

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too young to be a hippie I mean too old

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to be a hippie hippies no no no no they

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have 60 jobs born around 40 40 yeah beat

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that's a more of a beat more of a beat

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bohemian yeah we went I mean they I rich

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girlfriends and limousines you don't

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like you know like but but if you were

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born in 40 isn't 50s more your decade

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than 60 I was born in 67 so the 80s are

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my decade yeah don't you consider the

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50s to be no 50s I was 18 I was still a

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kid right I was a Cornell know in the

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60s really didn't happen until the late

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60s yeah no but no no I was right in the

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middle of everything I mean you know I

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Ryan he could have been a hippie if your

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chosen field a lot of my friends were

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hippies but I always liked money too

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much I like Jaguars I like fast cars

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I never espoused the hippie way of life

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so you just you just look like one yeah

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especially then I look really really why

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I didn't want to Elba's everybody did I

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do I didn't want to I mean you know what

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Bernie Sanders he was a hippie you know

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Bernie and Bernie is almost 80 right but

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I am worried about to say within a year

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or two the same area I knew lots of

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Bernie's back then you know whoever

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Einhorn was Einhorn would have been

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Bernie Sanders today if I know and had

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not been framed or but he did not but

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Holly Maddux you know he was he was much

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more charismatic than Bernie and the

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same kind of milieu and he had all kinds

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of powerful people backing him he would

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have been running for president today

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yeah what about since we're talking

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about hippies LSD is that sometimes if

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I did you indulge only a couple of times

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Oh a couple actually strangely enough

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Leary I was at Brandeis in 1960 and when

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Aldous Huxley gave his doors of

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perception talk at MIT I was actually

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there and Leary was still a professor at

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Harvard then and Leary contacted me I

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was a graduate student at Brandeis in

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physics you know a National Defense

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fellow and Leary wanted me to do the LSD

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at Harvard for experiments I didn't I

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didn't do it I was what I was very

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straight I didn't do it but then I knew

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Tim afterward when when we were at

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Esalen you know in there's 76 and Nixon

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released Leary from prison in the care

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of George Koopman who was this army

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intelligence agent was funding us at at

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Esalen and that's how Leary Leary when

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Leary was released from prison he became

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part of our group at eslint physics

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consciousness research group you know

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financed by Earhart this whole thing is

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very you know so you never used LSD to

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help in your thought process when it

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comes to do you think I may have said I

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think I took LSD two or three times more

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for a social reason as opposed to I

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actually have one no okay one time okay

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he said I don't care one of my mentors

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70s or early 80s was Marshall Navy

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Marshall Navy was a United Artists

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theaters billionaire friend of Ronald

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Reagan's he was like The Godfather

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Francis Coppola who I knew was part of

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movies he was called Marshall in any

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case so Marshall I did a nice thing with

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Marshall because he was kind of like a

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and and at that point we did like I had

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but this time travel experience while I

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was back with Marshall in ancient Egypt

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in this in this in this kind of Emerald

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Palace sort of thing and also I had like

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an experience where I was a Grail Knight

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wounded wounded on the battlefield spear

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so this is why you believe in time

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travel but now we experienced mentally

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mentally was pretty real I mean that's a

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but that was Marshall himself was like a

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wizard he was he was like you know he

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was special and and he's dead now so I

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could talk about it but it was because

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of Marshall that the Strategic Defense

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Initiative was done by Reagan see that's

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a whole story that if you want to get

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him to have what that really happens

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well I think we should we will get into

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that a little bit because we've had

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someone assert on our show that the SDI

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the cult Star Wars was what ultimately

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led to the us developing tick-tack which

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I know you don't agree with but anyway

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well I let me put it this way I hope

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that's true I hope that's true I don't

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think it is the reason I don't think it

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is because I know all the top guys in

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physics in this field like Kip Thorne I

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was asked by CIA guys and DOD guys back

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in the mid 70s during this SSRI

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remote-viewing episode that's all and

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how the hippy say physics we were I was

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asked to work on two problems okay how

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does consciousness work from a physics

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point of view no no no spiritual

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how does it work physically and how do

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you oppose fly

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years old I was part of a

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government-sponsored super kids project

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out of Columbia University and we were

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also guys from said from the government

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collected and we were also asked to

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think about flying saucers and they test

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them to see if we had paranormal powers

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okay and it was because of that project

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that I was sent to Cornell by on a full

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scholarship when I was still 16 well did

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you have 17 years old my mother did I

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was a single mother living a single

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mother she didn't have any money it was

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at an Ivy League school everything was

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paid for okay so this is a long-term

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thing also well you also you have I know

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you have a childhood story to that oh

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yeah all right that I want to know let's

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go back to your statement that you would

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love for these tic tacs be us technology

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yes but you feel that you know all the

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key thinkers in this area yes and also I

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I'm just being truthful I know how chick

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tack works and I know none of these

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other guys for what I've seen they don't

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they don't even have a clue how to how

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it works okay the only way they could

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have developed it is because time travel

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is involved if the stuff that I'm

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working on now gets developed in the

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future okay and then they went back in

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time you know with time loops with time

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travel let's go back to what you

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acknowledge is a very arrogant statement

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which is that you know how Tic Tacs

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works but essentially nobody else does

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or certainly nobody knew it 20 years ago

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in time to have created this yeah

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okay but what about all these because we

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were also talking about star wars SGI

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well I was involved in that see I was

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involved with Star Wars

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okay but you've got billions of dollars

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going into black projects right that's

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okay but if they're too stupid they

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don't understand what they're doing yeah

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I don't care how many billions of

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dollars yeah look at what's-his-name

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look at Bloomberg these guys put up

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hundreds of millions dollars and he's a

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schmuck upon me I mean he doesn't have

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Trump's charisma so it does so the money

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and I'm not one that often gives the

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government a lot of credit for spending

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money wisely so so I'm with you I can

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see really everybody been the government

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is stupid what about the stealth

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technology that the government well

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that's good then yeah itself but that's

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pretty conventional stuff and actually

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what I'm talking about is really does

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have stealth capability as well but and

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they may have gotten that according to

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Colonel Corso Phil course so they may

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have gotten that but from retrieved you

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know sources I mean that we don't you

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know that's a whole controversial area

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I'm not particularly its provide mine is

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stealth is an example of a project

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coming to being developed significant

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advancements that was kept secret for a

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long time but there's no way to keep

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this kind of thing secret for one thing

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stealth is all classical electromagnetic

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field theory doesn't not involve gravity

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theory which is what tic-tac is and

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be very good in electrical engineering

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but they don't understand Einstein's

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theory of gravity they don't understand

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physically and they could never have

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gotten it because I get so much

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opposition right now from the

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establishment on how I think tic-tac

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works because this one key idea they

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missed secretly I just got I'm not going

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to say exactly what he said he'll put

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off you know he is right I'll put off I

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know you've been mentioning his name

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Allah Patel he'll put off okay how put

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thought he's 85 now he's older me he had

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the high security clearances worked with

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the NSA he became he's a PhD laser

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experimental physicist he did he was in

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charge with with rust argh

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the CIA remote new remote viewing

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experiments with Pat price and rugello

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all that in the seventies that I was

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involved with at Stanford with Edgar

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Mitchell the astronaut running it was

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all CIA project and he is the chief

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scientists at to the Stars Academy right

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okay who are trying to explain the

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tic-tac and also a Chris melon a

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Christopher melon of the bail-ins

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Carnegie Mellon University which it

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Schiavi melon is his eye nose uncle

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Chris melon 62 years old you know he

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yell skullenbones all that kind of stuff

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you know so you know you understand what

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he was deputy assistant secretary of

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defense for intelligence okay and he

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says they don't know so he's certainly

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in a position to know what is it that

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houses how does it happen well I I just

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got a privileged thing from it just two

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days ago so I got to be careful what I

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say but how basically agree with me that

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that the guy's the subject they they're

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just not ready to accept this key idea

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but I think how how is now on my side on

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this because you know how and I go back

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a long way so there's this one key idea

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of how matter couples the gravity in

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something called the speed of light and

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all these idiots pardon me but you're a

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bunch of idiots his alias they think the

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speed of light has to be the speed of

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light in vacuum even though it's inside

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a material okay and the point is you

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have to use the speed of light in the

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material and then once you realize that

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everything about tic-tac is easy to

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explain that's this stumbling block they

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have a mental block about this and you

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say they you're referring to who I'm

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referring to a lot of my colleagues who

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should know better I'm preferring to pH

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even people in gravity because let me

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tell you something you read a textbook

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on Einstein's theory of gravity and the

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coupling is a coupling between energy

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between the like the matter fields that

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create gravity and the gravitational

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warp field itself that come the right

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they set it equal to 1 it's a constant

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they don't want to deal with it because

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what they're trying to do most of the

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physicists doing in this field they are

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mathematicians and they're looking for

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mathematical elegance and they forget

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that that coupling from an engineering

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point is very important got to see what

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it actually is okay

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and so they forgotten things things that

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electric that come normal to an

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electrical engineer they haven't done so

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it's a matter of over specialization you

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know like the left hand isn't what the

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right hand is doing what I'm saying to

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an engineer to electrical engineer being

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sort of perfectly obvious okay so that's

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the stumbling block see the problem is

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this if you read any of the standard

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papers in the field when they're talking

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about warp drive or they talk about time

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travel through wormholes they say well

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the problem is it requires so much

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energy to do it see and that's and

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that's see and that's not true and you

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could actually do with it with a with a

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triple-a battery yeah tic-tac itself

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does not require a lot of energy yes and

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the reason and you know that to be true

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see that's a that's now an observational

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fact they observe the tic-tac what going

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from 80,000 feet down to 50 feet in like

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less than two seconds and there's no

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there's no jet engines there's no flares

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how's it going to do that's going at

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hundreds of g's maybe thousands of G's

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how's it doing that say there's no way

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it can do that by conventional

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propulsion and and if it was using a lot

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of energy if you calculate how much

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energy involved would it would burn up

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the whole planet you know there's very

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little it's stealthy so to speak and

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that it doesn't make a noise it may make

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a little noise okay so explain in

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layman's terms the best you can what

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you've discovered I don't know how that

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tic-tac is doing let's do ya the way

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it's doing it it's because there's a

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special material that is the fuselage a

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fuselage is built to something called a

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meta material and there's a lot of

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research going on and meta materials now

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and and what happens is that if you pump

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electromagnetic energy into the

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metamaterial it can have a certain kind

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of what's called a resonance and in that

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resonance the speed of light inside the

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material can go down to a very small

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number and since the speed of light

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a little bit of math fractions f no

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fractions since the speed of light

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appears in the denominator of Einstein's

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coupling of matter to gravity it's in

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the denominator and it's in the

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denominator to the fourth power I could

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draw okay that's gonna mean a lot to

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about point something a percentage of

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our our people okay

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since the CC the speedlights in the

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denominator if I can't even say that

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because we got a lot of people on audio

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is that eight pi and then gravity a

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capital G Newton's constant capital G

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and this is called the index of

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refraction of the material to the fourth

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power and this is the speed of light the

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speed of light actually in vacuum but

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but everything is here this this this

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index of refraction and gets very big in

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a resonance it's very big whose formula

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is this by the way Einstein okay this is

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a fine

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well the this part is mine putting in

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the end the eyesight only had this

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what's unique about the end that you the

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end is the is the response of the

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material which which everybody left out

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okay it's called the in fact that the

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speed of light is not constant it's in a

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vacuum

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it's constant but once it interacts with

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the material it can slow down in fact it

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generally does slow that's called

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refraction slows down the reason for

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that is what what sad with the speed of

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light the speed of light of photons in

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vacuum when the speed of when photons

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move through the vacuum they encounter

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what a cold virtual electron positron

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pairs they're like charges that are

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fluttering in and out of existence and

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they scatter off those virtual electron

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positron pairs and that slows it down

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but that's vacuum that's the speed of

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light back it's still pretty big 186,000

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miles per second right all right

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but then when it gets into matter there

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are other charges there so that's that's

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the key of these metamaterials which can

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alter the speed of light dramatically

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and man is capable of making these

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metamaterials so we're making them all

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over the place hundreds I mean it's a

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huge in metamaterial industry now what

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do we use metamaterials for as we speak

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well they're using them till you get

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like what I call perfect lenses you can

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resolve images better than what's called

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the refraction

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the diffraction limit there's all kinds

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of applications for sensors it's a big

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industry okay I don't want you know so

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so so man is perfectly capable of making

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the meta materials that would be needed

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for changing well not necessarily no no

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there right now we're making them at a

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gross level they're making them kind of

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crude well like with long wavelengths

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big wavelengths microwave stuff like

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that

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according to Eric Davis who has

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physicist who has some intelligence

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connections he let slip that some of the

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that they have retrieved tic-tac

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material in which it looks like the

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metamaterial is down to the nano meter

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billionth of a meter level and I don't

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think we know how to do that yet I mean

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is did this you know maybe I mean that

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we and it was retrieved how well that

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that's not that's sort of classify I

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mean I don't know what but allegedly it

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slipped out one of the rumors are that

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these meta materials found in tic-tac or

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flying saucer retrieve materials that if

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with the electron microscope it's like

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it's like wheels within wheels like

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Russian dolls its lattices it's like

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many materials within meta materials

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it's like a fractal sort of different

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scales but it goes down not only to the

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billionth of a meter scale but maybe

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down to the angstrom an atomic scale so

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this is what the Missouri so Crimea we

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can make it at centimeters and make it

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at millimeters but making it down that

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small that's the problem

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okay you know what it's like it's like

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my professors at Cornell built the

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atomic bomb Manhattan Project okay John

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Wheeler the theoretical physicists back

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in the 30s they understood in principle

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how to get a fission reaction right and

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so they understood it conceptually

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and that's the same way when I say I

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understand tic-tac I understand it

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conceptually in terms of basic equations

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of physics how it works but how to

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engineer it to get engineer it they had

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the Manhattan Project they had to learn

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how to refine you know you to get

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plutonium and

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and the different that was at u-235

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whatever was and that was a major job

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that took billions of dollars and

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thousands keeping it high level what we

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would need to do is be able to develop

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this metamaterial you're saying we

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already make many materials my questions

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on that subject is is there anything

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close that we've made to this type of

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metamaterial well this is we be

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classified I don't know if it is but by

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me that you know of was the most

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sophisticated metamaterial no no they'd

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know with that's the big stumbling block

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that's what that's that's if that's if

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if I get to meet with President Trump

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which they're trying to arrange actually

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so I'm supposed to talk about them yeah

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I think it's okay so making the matter

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mature if Trump says he's a blank check

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jack is it Billy whatever you need okay

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then we're gonna then that's the first

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so the number one is getting is making

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the proper meta mature or what would be

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what's number two key to actually making

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a tic-tac oh well once you have the

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metamaterial you're in like Flynn what

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would the power source be Energizer

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Bunny battery

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no it'll be more than that probably but

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in principle it could be tiny

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metamaterial in principle it could be

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the electrical power from your brain

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from EEG because there is evidence for

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that you know there's this Colonel Phil

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you know about it Mike there's a colonel

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Phil Corso says that the the little

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green meadow the the grains whatever

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they were they had they would they were

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they were controlling this the craft

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with their brainwaves and this is enough

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energy there's enough in it and actually

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you know I can't there's some other

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cousin but I'd realized I'd be revealing

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a confidence from how so I can't say

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that but the amount of energy required

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is basically very small they used to

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think it would take a joopa the whole

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jupiter-mass the whole mass of Jupiter

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to do it well okay so yes so let's

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continue to talk about energy and power

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so what is it a lot of people have said

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I think you've said that once you

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develop this tic-tac that we've solved

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energy issues for the world that no

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longer do we need fossil fuels that's to

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explain that how do these meta materials

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how would we utilize these meta

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materials such that we no longer need to

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drive I mean you know okay you saw Iron

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Man he puts on a suit

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Fleiss you're talking about that I mean

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you make a suit out of metamaterial you

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can literally fly like Superman you know

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it goes back to the like because you've

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defeated gravity yeah you're controlling

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the gravitational field locally with

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small amounts of energy in Azura is

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there a field around tic-tac it's a

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gravity field and this account it's a

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you're generating you're generating a

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what's called a confined it's called

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technically it's called a near field

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okay the Earth's field the Earth's field

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the field we're in it's called a near

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field that's not it's not gravity waves

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radiating out you know it's like it's

540
00:22:18,139 --> 00:22:16,860
it's like the feel from a battery like

541
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:18,149
the Coulomb electrical fear it's a

542
00:22:23,389 --> 00:22:21,059
static field it's not it's not wavy so

543
00:22:28,419 --> 00:22:23,399
what you're doing in the metamaterial

544
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:28,429
itself you're able to generate whatever

545
00:22:33,529 --> 00:22:31,980
confined gravity field you desire I mean

546
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:33,539
you have a computer this computer what

547
00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:34,980
am I thinking of it correctly that it's

548
00:22:39,139 --> 00:22:36,870
really counter balancing the gravity

549
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,149
field from the earth yeah so you're

550
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:40,559
creating a gravity field from the

551
00:22:46,340 --> 00:22:42,510
tic-tac that's equal to the gravity

552
00:22:48,980 --> 00:22:46,350
field and also in detonating yes yes

553
00:22:50,899 --> 00:22:48,990
roughly speaking yeah well okay let me

554
00:22:53,269 --> 00:22:50,909
let me tell you how what's called the

555
00:22:57,740 --> 00:22:53,279
Alcubierre warp drive works you have a

556
00:22:59,720 --> 00:22:57,750
starship okay you have a starship and in

557
00:23:02,090 --> 00:22:59,730
the in the nose of the starship and

558
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:02,100
those are starship you have a creating

559
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:04,260
annoy an ordinary attractive gravity

560
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:06,330
field what attractive gravity field does

561
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:08,820
it could sort of contracts to space so

562
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:10,440
since the space is contracting it's like

563
00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:13,110
pulling the starship and then and then

564
00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:15,630
behind the starship in the tail you have

565
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:17,220
an anti gravity source a negative

566
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:18,659
repulsive gravity and what that's it's

567
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:20,610
expanding space so that's so that's

568
00:23:25,389 --> 00:23:22,740
that's pushing it from behind pulling it

569
00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:25,399
from the front but the ship itself

570
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:27,750
locally it's not moving at all in its

571
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:29,490
local gravitational field so I'm moving

572
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,690
through space

573
00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:33,840
it's control it's it's folding space do

574
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:34,230
you have it

575
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:37,380
Frank Herbert Doon remember in dude they

576
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:39,570
folded space they use the spice it's

577
00:23:43,159 --> 00:23:41,850
like that it's like Frank Herbert's so

578
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:43,169
that you're saying these concepts from

579
00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:45,059
these old shows and movies are really

580
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:46,020
real concepts

581
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:48,090
oh yeah well yes it's a matter of

582
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:49,710
perfecting them it's a matter perfecting

583
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:50,130
them yeah

584
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:52,049
you know in many cases what's happening

585
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:52,720
that a lot

586
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:54,730
fiction what's happening is that people

587
00:23:59,640 --> 00:23:57,010
are receiving in front they're doing

588
00:24:02,159 --> 00:23:59,650
precognitive remote view remote viewing

589
00:24:04,169 --> 00:24:02,169
of future science and it's going into

590
00:24:05,850 --> 00:24:04,179
the science-fiction you know it's said

591
00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:05,860
that a lot of science the reason science

592
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:08,230
fact the reason Jules Verne and HG Wells

593
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:10,840
are so accurate in many ways is because

594
00:24:14,130 --> 00:24:12,130
they're actually seeing future

595
00:24:15,779 --> 00:24:14,140
developments see that's the way physics

596
00:24:17,850 --> 00:24:15,789
works turns out that's quantum mechanics

597
00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:17,860
in quantum mechanics back from the

598
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:19,720
future information plays a very key role

599
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,610
in what's called entanglement quantum

600
00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:23,919
entanglement well as quantum computers

601
00:24:28,409 --> 00:24:26,200
and quantum cryptography and all that

602
00:24:31,020 --> 00:24:28,419
stuff so it's it's a very pretty picture

603
00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:31,030
so the point is this the way the tic-tac

604
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,270
works if you had a graduate student on

605
00:24:39,330 --> 00:24:36,159
his PhD oral exam and I was his

606
00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:39,340
examining professor okay I would go up

607
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:41,110
on the blackboard I draw this thing I'd

608
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:43,330
say now tell me with this how could you

609
00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:45,010
get something like tic-tac to work and

610
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:47,860
in 30 minutes any good physics graduate

611
00:24:51,060 --> 00:24:49,450
student would figure it out because it's

612
00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:51,070
not that hard once you have the right

613
00:24:56,270 --> 00:24:53,590
idea once you get to the right idea have

614
00:25:00,899 --> 00:24:56,280
we ever controlled gravity in any way no

615
00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:00,909
no not by the time we make control in

616
00:25:04,110 --> 00:25:02,169
the future and they may have gone back

617
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:04,120
in time you know but there but correct

618
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:05,890
me if I'm wrong there's been decades of

619
00:25:09,659 --> 00:25:08,350
research about goodbye idiots they don't

620
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,669
understand what they do it come on

621
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,919
everybody's an idiot no none none that

622
00:25:16,980 --> 00:25:14,799
they're smart know what I say I mean I'm

623
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:16,990
an idiot at times too everybody's what

624
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:18,760
did Einstein say anybody who's not made

625
00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:20,200
a mistake has never done anything

626
00:25:24,330 --> 00:25:23,140
well you're 80 years old you're an idiot

627
00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:24,340
that he didn't come up with it sooner

628
00:25:28,890 --> 00:25:27,460
well yes know that we okay now let's

629
00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:28,900
right now let me let me explain that's

630
00:25:33,060 --> 00:25:30,340
actually a good point I want to get into

631
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:33,070
that a little bit when I was 13 years

632
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:35,470
old that I had this weird high strangest

633
00:25:40,649 --> 00:25:39,370
contact the entity which said it was a

634
00:25:44,220 --> 00:25:40,659
conscious computer onboard a spacecraft

635
00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:44,230
from the future said that I was part of

636
00:25:49,289 --> 00:25:46,600
it that they had selected me and a bunch

637
00:25:51,539 --> 00:25:49,299
of others a few others bright receptive

638
00:25:54,419 --> 00:25:51,549
minds to teach their technology to and

639
00:25:56,700 --> 00:25:54,429
so I was told that I was going to do

640
00:25:57,899 --> 00:25:56,710
this and I was also told I was gonna

641
00:26:00,720 --> 00:25:57,909
meet it took you long enough

642
00:26:02,909 --> 00:26:00,730
yeah took long enough but but ed white

643
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:02,919
and now I was told I was gonna meet the

644
00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:04,809
others and 20 years in the future

645
00:26:08,820 --> 00:26:06,700
this is 1953

646
00:26:12,539 --> 00:26:08,830
1973's when I met you know Werner Erhard

647
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:12,549
how put off all the guys from this if

648
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,529
I'm Edgar Mitchell all the guys doing

649
00:26:19,979 --> 00:26:17,279
the remote viewing experiments okay and

650
00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:19,989
they have had similar experiences in

651
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:21,700
fact there's a tape recording this was

652
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:24,609
all CIA there's a tape recording of my

653
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:28,570
initial meeting at s @ s RI back in 1973

654
00:26:35,249 --> 00:26:31,470
where this whole thing comes up where

655
00:26:36,989 --> 00:26:35,259
where Russell Targ one of the key guys

656
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:36,999
starts talking about well we think that

657
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:38,590
these flying cells are coming back from

658
00:26:43,409 --> 00:26:40,809
the future and they said oh my god that

659
00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:43,419
I reminded my telephone call experience

660
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:46,600
and then this guy Brendan Oh Reagan who

661
00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:48,460
was Edgar Mitchell's right-hand man in

662
00:26:53,489 --> 00:26:51,100
the CIA project says oh yeah we have

663
00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:53,499
data on several hundred experiences like

664
00:27:00,659 --> 00:26:55,929
that so this whole thing and this is a

665
00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:00,669
CIA tape recording that is is out there

666
00:27:07,169 --> 00:27:03,940
okay you can actually hear us talking in

667
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,179
1973 about this thank you guys so so

668
00:27:11,489 --> 00:27:09,039
this is everything everything I say

669
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:11,499
could be corroborated contested am I

670
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,970
correct that you've said that you think

671
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:14,559
that this could be developed in ten

672
00:27:18,029 --> 00:27:16,690
years time I could be developing three

673
00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:18,039
years time so it depends on the amount

674
00:27:22,289 --> 00:27:20,830
of money cuz the amount of money okay

675
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:22,299
look let's let hey it depends on who's

676
00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:24,129
doing it too late let's look at the

677
00:27:27,869 --> 00:27:26,440
corona virus now what they just said

678
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:27,879
it's gonna take what three years to a

679
00:27:31,139 --> 00:27:30,070
year and a half three years the Israelis

680
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:31,149
just announced they're gonna have it in

681
00:27:38,369 --> 00:27:35,700
90 days because this spot was doing it

682
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:38,379
okay so you believe based on your

683
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:41,769
formula and your discovery that we could

684
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:43,929
take that information turn it into a

685
00:27:47,639 --> 00:27:45,940
tic-tac far as how long it would take

686
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:47,649
depends on how many resources we throw

687
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:49,450
at it but anywhere from one to ten years

688
00:27:55,979 --> 00:27:52,960
yeah and this is what you want to share

689
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:55,989
with president Rome absolutely this one

690
00:27:59,549 --> 00:27:57,970
what Joe and I know I could sell Trump

691
00:28:01,289 --> 00:27:59,559
in ten minutes because Trump and I we

692
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,299
come from the same area I'm a little bit

693
00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:03,279
older than him I'm also a New Yorker I

694
00:28:07,259 --> 00:28:05,080
understand how he thinks he knows I've

695
00:28:10,229 --> 00:28:07,269
been supporting him from from before

696
00:28:11,639 --> 00:28:10,239
from the time he announced oh by the way

697
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,649
the other thing is you know since I

698
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,320
belong to a to a club in London

699
00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:16,720
exclusive club in London they used to

700
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:18,460
call it the spies Club during the World

701
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:18,730
War

702
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:21,730
to a lot of guys from mi5 mi6 was right

703
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:24,880
close to the old embassy the American

704
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:29,260
Embassy okay and and I was told then I

705
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:31,690
was told April of 2017 about the coup

706
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:33,370
d'etat against the president

707
00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:37,150
by and into by a former American naval

708
00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:39,670
intelligence agent who was stationed at

709
00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:43,480
the embassy since retired former Navy

710
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:46,060
SEAL okay and he had matter of fact I

711
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:48,010
don't know what side he was on but I was

712
00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:49,690
told about I born one of my people

713
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:51,400
friends I know you who close to the

714
00:28:59,760 --> 00:28:54,820
Trump so I know this to be a fact okay

715
00:29:03,210 --> 00:28:59,770
and we're gonna we're gonna talk some

716
00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:03,220
Trump so going back to the number of

717
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:04,900
people that potentially could have the

718
00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:06,370
same solution that you have I mean I

719
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:07,870
guess there is no you race you sitting

720
00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:08,950
here saying that I don't know how many

721
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:09,880
billion people there are in the world

722
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:11,730
Michael you could look out for us but

723
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:15,480
you're the only one I'm the only one yes

724
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:19,090
Michael do me a favor and over I meant

725
00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:21,160
to have the patent and I think oh yeah

726
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:22,630
the pay's Pat yeah I think it I think

727
00:29:27,540 --> 00:29:25,900
it's either in there so you can find it

728
00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:27,550
whoops keep going yeah why you look for

729
00:29:32,190 --> 00:29:30,280
yeah but um because yeah but let's go

730
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:32,200
ahead and talk about him the Salvatori

731
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:35,410
paste PE is advertising is an

732
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:37,570
interesting case first of all his patent

733
00:29:41,970 --> 00:29:39,250
has been completely debunked as far as

734
00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:41,980
the physics goes by Erik Davis who's a

735
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:43,780
smart guy Eric and I don't get along on

736
00:29:50,190 --> 00:29:47,350
everything but I serve Sal is asking the

737
00:29:55,650 --> 00:29:50,200
right questions he's asking the right

738
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:55,660
questions he's - he's tuned in and it's

739
00:29:59,280 --> 00:29:57,370
a it's an enigma going on there because

740
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,290
there has to be really like a an

741
00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:00,880
investigation what's really going on

742
00:30:04,620 --> 00:30:02,620
there because if I had to fit first of

743
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,630
all he's sound start by using tremendous

744
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:07,600
amounts of energy he's not a so he's so

745
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:10,210
what was your assessment of the patent

746
00:30:13,620 --> 00:30:12,010
what did you think of the baton I think

747
00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:13,630
it's and I think he's asking the right

748
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:16,920
question but so he's in the ballpark

749
00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:19,360
because the nantes salute the patents

750
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:21,820
not gonna work pants not gonna work and

751
00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:23,470
the first of the patent is no gent

752
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:25,060
there's no time stein there's none no

753
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:27,040
physics in it there's no Darrell it's

754
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:29,470
only electrodynamics the only thing that

755
00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:30,530
might work there

756
00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:33,380
may have some kind of a propulsion

757
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:35,030
system but it's not warp drive has

758
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:36,230
nothing with gravity it's nothing with

759
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:38,750
the gravitational field he says you know

760
00:30:44,830 --> 00:30:41,840
it's it's a bunch of words that there's

761
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:44,840
it doesn't connect with anything he's

762
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:47,930
asking the right guy yeah well it starts

763
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:49,310
with their discussion about gravity and

764
00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:52,250
in the various for yeah but but there's

765
00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:53,900
nothing in his patent that corresponds

766
00:31:01,540 --> 00:30:59,570
to real physics that I know there's

767
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:01,550
nothing there you don't see this there

768
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:03,350
if you don't see this there let me I

769
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:05,570
thought let me read this part cuz I want

770
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:07,190
to get have you help explain this for

771
00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:11,030
for me there are four known fundamental

772
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,860
forces which control matter and

773
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:14,720
therefore control energy the four known

774
00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:16,970
forces are strong nuclear forces weak

775
00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:19,160
nuclear forces electromagnetic force and

776
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:20,840
gravitational force okay stop right

777
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:21,410
there

778
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:23,030
he's already made a mistake which a lot

779
00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:25,780
of people make gravity is not a force

780
00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:28,520
gravity is not a force it turns out what

781
00:31:31,870 --> 00:31:29,990
we consider the force of gravity are

782
00:31:34,570 --> 00:31:31,880
actually electromagnetic resent what

783
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:34,580
achill reaction forces okay see what I

784
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:36,710
said that shows what is it improper to

785
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:38,450
use that term yes it does everybody says

786
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:39,890
gravitational for I know and a lot of

787
00:31:42,580 --> 00:31:41,870
them and this is my point this is

788
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:42,590
exactly my point

789
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:45,410
a lot of high-energy physicists who are

790
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:47,150
good high-energy physics they also use

791
00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:49,010
gravitational force and but they don't

792
00:31:59,470 --> 00:31:51,950
understand general relativity that's not

793
00:32:01,300 --> 00:31:59,480
what Einstein said okay this is the

794
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:01,310
important dimensions in in this

795
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:04,430
hierarchy of forces the electromagnetic

796
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:06,530
force is perfectly positioned to be able

797
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:09,230
to manipulate the other three do you

798
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,630
agree with that first of all you don't

799
00:32:18,910 --> 00:32:16,880
have to manipulate the the other the the

800
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:18,920
actual forces in nature are three

801
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:21,110
there's the electromagnetic force the

802
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:24,350
weak force and the strong force the weak

803
00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:27,310
force and the strong force play no role

804
00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:29,960
for tic-tac not important they're there

805
00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:32,420
they might play some secondary well not

806
00:32:34,750 --> 00:32:33,380
important the only thing you have to

807
00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:34,760
worry about the electromagnetic force

808
00:32:39,910 --> 00:32:36,800
how it interacts with the gravitational

809
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:39,920
field what what Einstein showed was that

810
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:43,640
the gravitational field gives you all

811
00:32:48,899 --> 00:32:44,570
poss

812
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:48,909
what are called real force free

813
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,230
trajectories it is debate the

814
00:32:55,659 --> 00:32:53,120
gravitational field is the basis of

815
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,669
emotion that that happens under no

816
00:32:59,799 --> 00:32:57,679
forces at all what's called free when

817
00:33:02,049 --> 00:32:59,809
you when when you jump off a ladder

818
00:33:04,210 --> 00:33:02,059
you're freely falling when the

819
00:33:06,430 --> 00:33:04,220
astronauts going around in Space Station

820
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:06,440
when they're going around in orbit and

821
00:33:10,539 --> 00:33:08,450
they're freely floating they're what

822
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:10,549
they're called they're moving in a force

823
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:13,610
free what's called time like geodesic

824
00:33:17,049 --> 00:33:15,110
that's in the form of a circle or an

825
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,059
ellipse or something like that so the

826
00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:19,039
gravity according to Einstein this is

827
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:21,500
what most physicists even who never took

828
00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:22,610
the course in general it's a very

829
00:33:26,529 --> 00:33:25,070
properly they don't understand that what

830
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,539
the gravitational field it's the

831
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:29,840
reference arena for force free

832
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:34,610
weightless free free fall motion here on

833
00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:37,610
earth with India on earth we feel wait

834
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:40,700
because we are actually accelerating

835
00:33:44,259 --> 00:33:42,350
upward but we're not moving because the

836
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:44,269
space-time is curved the space is curved

837
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,850
so in order to stand still in order to

838
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:49,519
stand still see electrical force is what

839
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:51,230
they're feeling okay when you get into

840
00:33:55,419 --> 00:33:53,450
your BMW convertible they use up you

841
00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:55,429
know stomp on the gas and you feel like

842
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:57,350
that's that's g-force right when the

843
00:34:01,149 --> 00:33:59,090
wooden travel with commander Fram was

844
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:01,159
trying to be in a dogfight against the

845
00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:02,480
tic-tac he doesn't have a chance of

846
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,870
course and he he feels g-forces right

847
00:34:09,899 --> 00:34:07,279
that those are all electromagnetic

848
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:09,909
forces from the frustum the jet engine

849
00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:12,950
okay so that's the first thing and in

850
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:14,540
saying that for a second so I don't

851
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:16,129
forget this question if you were inside

852
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:18,770
the tic-tac would you get g-force or no

853
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,450
zero that's the whole point

854
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:22,399
weightless the guys in the tic-tac

855
00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:24,020
they're weightless even though from the

856
00:34:28,569 --> 00:34:25,940
outside it looks and from the outside

857
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:28,579
it's going at you know fifty thousand

858
00:34:33,010 --> 00:34:31,730
miles an hour and doing a u-turn and it

859
00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:33,020
looks like the g-force would be like

860
00:34:36,819 --> 00:34:35,659
impossible inside feels nothing it's

861
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:36,829
weightless there the fact they have to

862
00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:38,810
wear magnetic boots so they don't float

863
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:41,300
around just like oh that would counter

864
00:34:45,609 --> 00:34:44,179
our friend Mike turbos claim are you

865
00:34:48,339 --> 00:34:45,619
wear this Mike turbo that we interviewed

866
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,349
so you know you're our you know tenth or

867
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,480
twelfth episode digging into this but it

868
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:52,639
started with this guy Mike turbo who

869
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:54,200
used to be in the Air Force who says

870
00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:56,089
that he's got friends at plant 42 you

871
00:35:00,400 --> 00:34:57,800
familiar with plant 42

872
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:00,410
so supposedly that's where major secret

873
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:02,710
projects are developed so you know

874
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:04,850
Lockheed would be there and break down

875
00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:06,290
the be there etc so if they're working

876
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:07,790
on something for the government they can

877
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:09,740
work on it there yeah in total secrecy

878
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:14,000
and so he claims that these are made by

879
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:16,010
the US military

880
00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:17,570
yeah and that they were made by I

881
00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:19,340
believe you said Lockheed and in

882
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:22,550
Raytheon um and then went on to say that

883
00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:27,200
he he implied that he may have actually

884
00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:31,640
ridden on one yeah but that the speed of

885
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:33,860
it was only one G so it went from

886
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:38,750
Palmdale to DC in like 84 minutes yeah

887
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:40,670
so that is so that the G Force would

888
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:43,790
never exceed 1g and that's why I

889
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:45,170
wouldn't just zip there because he's

890
00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:47,390
because somebody but it's not tic-tac

891
00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:49,820
it's not warp drive it doesn't do what

892
00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:51,800
tic-tac does well he's saying this it

893
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:53,750
does do what tic-tac does but it went

894
00:35:57,940 --> 00:35:55,910
any modest speed because otherwise the

895
00:36:01,810 --> 00:35:57,950
g-force wouldn't he doesn't then he's

896
00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:01,820
full of [\h__\h] [\h__\h] you have me on to bait

897
00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:06,260
him okay I'm from Brooklyn man so

898
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:07,580
basically you're saying you're saying if

899
00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:11,030
there was a anything inside the tic-tac

900
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:12,620
it's not gonna feel gravitational force

901
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:15,260
so there's no reason in not g-force

902
00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:16,670
etcetera so there's no reason for it to

903
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:19,940
go at a particular speed no if a human

904
00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:22,190
being is on tic-tac but he's right he

905
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:24,680
has to have a magnetic boot so he

906
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,930
doesn't float around no matter what it's

907
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:28,640
doing from the outside because he's

908
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:30,890
controlling the locally locally it's

909
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:33,290
like lovely it's like it's like you're

910
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:35,150
free floating inside see you're

911
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:36,710
controlling the local gravity it

912
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:39,260
controls its own path and for that by

913
00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:41,000
the way you need a supercomputer what

914
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:43,340
you need is a conscious artificial

915
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:45,290
intelligence that's embedded into the

916
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:47,330
metamaterial the fuselage itself that is

917
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:49,130
computing rapidly how much electric

918
00:36:51,850 --> 00:36:50,450
field do I put in this part of the fuse

919
00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:51,860
like how much electrodes do I put there

920
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:53,960
you know it's got to be computing this

921
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:56,030
in order to dogfight in order to keep

922
00:36:59,860 --> 00:36:57,170
maneuvering it what are you talking

923
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,870
about the electromagnetic boot of the

924
00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:02,240
the what what's happening you have a

925
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:04,280
battery let's say well maybe it's a

926
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:06,200
nuclear maybe it's a little nuclear

927
00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:07,910
fission battery or something like that

928
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:09,800
could whatever some source of electrical

929
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,640
energy

930
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,560
okay it might be regular battery maybe

931
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:14,240
something bad maybe it's a cold fusion -

932
00:37:17,590 --> 00:37:15,770
who the hell knows what but it's but you

933
00:37:20,290 --> 00:37:17,600
need some energy source and what that

934
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:20,300
energy it's like a battery and the it

935
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:23,620
gives an electromagnetic field

936
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:27,140
permeating the interior thickness of the

937
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:28,970
metamaterial you know the metamaterial

938
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:30,920
it's like okay the minima tear it's like

939
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:32,900
a bun it's like a nervous system it's

940
00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:36,170
like a bunch of nodes they call quantum

941
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:38,680
dots they're like artificial atoms and

942
00:37:44,350 --> 00:37:41,720
and each and eat their little pixels

943
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:44,360
like pixels on a screen okay and so each

944
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:47,530
pixel is controlled by a little

945
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:48,980
electromagnetic field

946
00:37:52,810 --> 00:37:50,840
just think of a capella gate think of a

947
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,820
capacitor let's be real simple you know

948
00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:54,800
a capacitor caralho plate capacitor

949
00:38:01,140 --> 00:37:57,830
connected to a battery okay and you turn

950
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:01,150
and you can control the electric field

951
00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:04,370
in the inside the capacitor with how

952
00:38:09,820 --> 00:38:06,260
much voltage how much voltage you turn

953
00:38:11,830 --> 00:38:09,830
on so each little each little pixel or

954
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:11,840
each little capacitor you have a bunch

955
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:14,930
of capacitors that it's there tiling

956
00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:17,180
around the the entire fuselage right

957
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,340
there's like a network of capacitors and

958
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:20,720
these had their own little batteries

959
00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:21,380
okay

960
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:23,420
and you have to know each battery it's a

961
00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:25,310
variable voltage source you have to know

962
00:38:29,410 --> 00:38:27,500
how much voltage to put on each pixel

963
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:29,420
because a certain amount of voltage will

964
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,550
generate a certain gravitational field

965
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:33,680
right around that little capacitor so

966
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:35,990
that all has to be computed by a

967
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:38,660
supercomputer because it has to be done

968
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,720
in real time okay so this is you know

969
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:43,040
this is why that's the that's the

970
00:38:47,610 --> 00:38:44,930
conscious say that's the AI part of it

971
00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:47,620
this thing is this thing is a conscious

972
00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:49,640
computer we know say okay well you

973
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,230
couldn't be well let me tell me you you

974
00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:52,720
couldn't fly this thing like a drone

975
00:38:58,290 --> 00:38:55,700
yeah drones yeah oh you got a guy on the

976
00:39:00,730 --> 00:38:58,300
ground being the pilot of the drone no

977
00:39:02,170 --> 00:39:00,740
well maybe you could depend on this so

978
00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:02,180
you might be able to do it that way you

979
00:39:05,890 --> 00:39:04,190
might be able to but chances are it's is

980
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,900
controlling itself it's a I think it's

981
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:07,780
probably it's an autonomous AI

982
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:10,010
controlling it there may be a real

983
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:11,960
person inside or not it doesn't have to

984
00:39:16,570 --> 00:39:15,080
be I say the simplest it's probably no

985
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:16,580
because the other reason you couldn't do

986
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:17,690
that because then you have to wait for

987
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:19,370
the delay time and the electromagnetic

988
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:21,170
signals going from the ground control

989
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:22,790
unit to the thing and it's not enough

990
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:24,569
time to do that it's gotta do things

991
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:26,579
you know much faster than that so it's

992
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:29,369
got to be autonomous yeah in principle

993
00:39:33,140 --> 00:39:31,650
you do what you say but wouldn't if I

994
00:39:36,769 --> 00:39:33,150
was designing this thing I guess I will

995
00:39:38,959 --> 00:39:36,779
be designing to see you want it to you

996
00:39:41,179 --> 00:39:38,969
want it to be as fast as possible okay

997
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:41,189
okay now that that would slow it down if

998
00:39:48,429 --> 00:39:44,249
it's always signal and not only that you

999
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,439
can interfere with it trying to

1000
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:50,400
countermeasure so you do countermeasures

1001
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:53,130
you could Jam the signals right there

1002
00:39:56,659 --> 00:39:54,390
doing that all the time that's that's

1003
00:39:59,479 --> 00:39:56,669
probably drone wolf it has its own

1004
00:40:01,549 --> 00:39:59,489
consciousness yeah it's a how do you how

1005
00:40:06,859 --> 00:40:01,559
do you know intelligence yeah how do you

1006
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:06,869
program it then programs itself but how

1007
00:40:12,279 --> 00:40:10,140
okay so how does the u.s. use this to

1008
00:40:16,819 --> 00:40:12,289
what we're designing it I will design it

1009
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:16,829
okay the consciousness part in principle

1010
00:40:21,229 --> 00:40:18,089
you could do it without being conscious

1011
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:21,239
okay just do it but but I have my own

1012
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:23,249
reasons to think from my own experience

1013
00:40:26,059 --> 00:40:24,359
of what I was told because I was

1014
00:40:28,789 --> 00:40:26,069
contacted by a tic-tac and when I was 13

1015
00:40:32,359 --> 00:40:28,799
see a tic-tac basically contacted me in

1016
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,369
1953 that's okay now you say why'd it

1017
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:34,319
take so long let's get back to echoing

1018
00:40:38,149 --> 00:40:35,579
that's a good question why don't thank

1019
00:40:40,479 --> 00:40:38,159
so long because first I sound like I'm a

1020
00:40:47,449 --> 00:40:40,489
crazy nut case right we should be put in

1021
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:47,459
saying this people get upset with me

1022
00:40:56,209 --> 00:40:53,599
when I say okay all right Brooklyn and

1023
00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:56,219
and and and I would always say whatever

1024
00:41:00,469 --> 00:40:58,650
the story would come up see truth is

1025
00:41:02,899 --> 00:41:00,479
more important than reputation and also

1026
00:41:05,959 --> 00:41:02,909
I've been funded you know by the powers

1027
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:05,969
that be thank you to be independent be

1028
00:41:10,939 --> 00:41:08,099
an independent voice okay

1029
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:10,949
I left academia because acting was too

1030
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:12,630
stuffy for me all right

1031
00:41:17,029 --> 00:41:15,089
some I'm saying this crazy stuff because

1032
00:41:18,949 --> 00:41:17,039
it really happened and other people are

1033
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:18,959
coming out of the closet or saying this

1034
00:41:30,919 --> 00:41:28,380
kind of stuff like it was an LGBTQ it's

1035
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,929
now safe it's now safe right and we have

1036
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:32,400
our civil right you're a civil rights

1037
00:41:38,289 --> 00:41:34,180
guy right

1038
00:41:40,029 --> 00:41:38,299
we're all s contactees you know alright

1039
00:41:41,859 --> 00:41:40,039
so well and by the way you're talking

1040
00:41:43,930 --> 00:41:41,869
about a real thing so called

1041
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:43,940
discrimination against people with these

1042
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:45,650
type of thoughts we've talked they

1043
00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:47,089
talked about it with pilots so how the

1044
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:48,680
Navy is now telling pilots hey feel free

1045
00:41:51,009 --> 00:41:50,089
to come forward with this we're not

1046
00:41:53,019 --> 00:41:51,019
gonna laugh at you

1047
00:41:55,059 --> 00:41:53,029
and in academia you would be

1048
00:41:57,460 --> 00:41:55,069
marginalized if you said so the kind of

1049
00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:57,470
thing I guess I was but of course the

1050
00:42:03,249 --> 00:41:59,210
powers that be came in and gave me

1051
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,259
independent funding I've been doing ok

1052
00:42:06,999 --> 00:42:04,880
so right but the thing that marginalizes

1053
00:42:08,799 --> 00:42:07,009
you is to say that you were visited as a

1054
00:42:10,359 --> 00:42:08,809
13 year by someone from the future right

1055
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:10,369
coming up with something like this

1056
00:42:14,259 --> 00:42:12,410
you're not gonna be marginalized for the

1057
00:42:16,529 --> 00:42:14,269
year for this yeah but when they say I

1058
00:42:22,779 --> 00:42:16,539
gotta live but I see I got it from them

1059
00:42:24,009 --> 00:42:22,789
I'm just the messenger this formula that

1060
00:42:25,989 --> 00:42:24,019
you said is unique to you you've taken

1061
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,999
Einstein's formula and modified in a bit

1062
00:42:32,229 --> 00:42:27,920
what do you mean you got it from them

1063
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:32,239
okay well okay this has to we have all

1064
00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:34,700
creativity happens even when Mozart you

1065
00:42:38,529 --> 00:42:37,220
know said he would hear his symphonies

1066
00:42:40,839 --> 00:42:38,539
you know about this they would hear and

1067
00:42:43,509 --> 00:42:40,849
he was just he was he was just taking

1068
00:42:45,789 --> 00:42:43,519
dictation he heard he was like hearing

1069
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:45,799
future future performances of his own

1070
00:42:48,910 --> 00:42:47,390
citizens just writing down that's when I

1071
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:48,920
write this things that I just go like

1072
00:42:54,729 --> 00:42:52,729
I'm channeling right didn't be coming

1073
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:54,739
from your own brain well it is coming

1074
00:42:58,359 --> 00:42:56,210
from my own brain but but but who knows

1075
00:43:00,190 --> 00:42:58,369
I mean you believe it's coming from

1076
00:43:02,979 --> 00:43:00,200
something external to your brain well

1077
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,989
let's embrace filling it ok yeah ok I

1078
00:43:07,509 --> 00:43:05,119
think that's the book but let me let me

1079
00:43:11,799 --> 00:43:07,519
let me give you a why I might believe

1080
00:43:14,499 --> 00:43:11,809
that now if you look back if you listen

1081
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,509
to the table try to get this tape of the

1082
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:16,880
CIA recording of my interview at SSRI

1083
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:19,210
when I was first asked to go there in

1084
00:43:28,499 --> 00:43:24,440
1973 and I talked about I received a

1085
00:43:31,479 --> 00:43:28,509
single phone call from the computer ok

1086
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:31,489
then several months goes by all kinds of

1087
00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:34,700
things going on and I'm down in Austin

1088
00:43:38,709 --> 00:43:36,140
New York with a guy named Andrea

1089
00:43:41,049 --> 00:43:38,719
porridge and arugula the Israeli psychic

1090
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:41,059
and and gell

1091
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:48,079
captain well this is you should check

1092
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,680
out who parish was very important for

1093
00:43:55,339 --> 00:43:52,079
you and my heart wrote this book called

1094
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:55,349
Ori gives me a copy of the book I'm just

1095
00:44:00,289 --> 00:43:56,670
back from Europe meeting Werner Erhard

1096
00:44:02,059 --> 00:44:00,299
in Paris all that stuff and I go down to

1097
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:02,069
my mother's place in Brooklyn with my

1098
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:04,170
girlfriend Sharon I give my mother the

1099
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,680
book

1100
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:06,660
hurry was a big hit was on the Johnny

1101
00:44:11,180 --> 00:44:08,730
Carson show he's like a celebrity

1102
00:44:13,249 --> 00:44:11,190
my mother's reading the book is Jackie

1103
00:44:15,049 --> 00:44:13,259
Jackie look this is just like what

1104
00:44:19,489 --> 00:44:15,059
happened to you and I say what are you

1105
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:19,499
talking about ma don't you remember the

1106
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,910
computer aboard the Flying Saucer

1107
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,740
contact me you were on the phone for

1108
00:44:27,019 --> 00:44:24,720
weeks at a time you having for four

1109
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:27,029
hours and I finally got angry I pick up

1110
00:44:30,289 --> 00:44:28,440
the phone said who is this who is this

1111
00:44:34,819 --> 00:44:30,299
and this is my mother my Jewish mother

1112
00:44:36,769 --> 00:44:34,829
right Millie and she's and she said she

1113
00:44:38,269 --> 00:44:36,779
hears she hears a cold metallic voice

1114
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:38,279
saying it's the computer onboard a

1115
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:40,140
spacecraft and they please please put

1116
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:48,089
your son back and don't you call up here

1117
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:49,710
again slams the phone down that's oh

1118
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,220
yeah now this is really okay my mother

1119
00:44:57,319 --> 00:44:54,960
remember these phone calls did you have

1120
00:44:58,819 --> 00:44:57,329
I remember the first call my mother

1121
00:45:00,979 --> 00:44:58,829
remembered three weeks of hours that she

1122
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:00,989
I was walking around glassy-eyed she

1123
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:02,609
thought you know kids on the phone 13

1124
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:04,140
years old if the funds okay

1125
00:45:09,019 --> 00:45:06,150
so I have no that's I have no memory of

1126
00:45:09,799 --> 00:45:09,029
that do you have strong memory of what

1127
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:09,809
you were being told

1128
00:45:18,009 --> 00:45:15,390
I only remember all I remember is I

1129
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:18,019
powers alone I picked up the phone I

1130
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:21,049
heard clunking the you know I heard

1131
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:24,329
honking noises like relays going I had

1132
00:45:29,650 --> 00:45:26,670
just been to the Brooklyn Public Library

1133
00:45:33,019 --> 00:45:29,660
where I picked up this big book on

1134
00:45:35,450 --> 00:45:33,029
computer on computer switching circuits

1135
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:35,460
electrical switching circuits okay which

1136
00:45:38,269 --> 00:45:36,930
was like the ain't via the brain the

1137
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:38,279
ENIAC machines that they were developing

1138
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:41,880
and remember this is 1953 okay 13 years

1139
00:45:48,739 --> 00:45:46,650
old but aa precocious kid and and and so

1140
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:48,749
I hear clunking you know clunking sounds

1141
00:45:54,259 --> 00:45:51,720
and now you hear you know Stephen

1142
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,269
Hawking the guy that got the the

1143
00:45:57,860 --> 00:45:56,400
paralyzed guy then his voice their

1144
00:46:02,330 --> 00:45:57,870
metallic force I he

1145
00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:02,340
Stephen Hawking's voice 1953 I've got a

1146
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,580
voice metallic voice and it's number

1147
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:07,740
since we feel like numbers integers just

1148
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,440
repeating integers it starts very slow

1149
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:12,420
see because I'm gonna experience it now

1150
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:15,480
so it's very slow and it builds volume

1151
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:18,570
volume and then it says Jack then starts

1152
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:21,690
talking to me I said who's this right

1153
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:25,890
and and then basically it said it was a

1154
00:46:30,740 --> 00:46:27,710
conscious computer onboard a spacecraft

1155
00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:30,750
that they had I was one of a group of

1156
00:46:34,220 --> 00:46:33,030
several hundred young bright receptive

1157
00:46:39,790 --> 00:46:34,230
minds they wanted to teach their

1158
00:46:43,610 --> 00:46:39,800
technology to and that if I had to agree

1159
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:43,620
okay and that if and if I said yes they

1160
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:46,530
would begin to meet the others in twenty

1161
00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:47,790
years was the seventy favorite someone I

1162
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:49,230
meant put off with all these CIA guys

1163
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:52,080
okay alright and I remember at the time

1164
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:55,710
yeah I was a smart streetwise kid and I

1165
00:47:00,730 --> 00:46:58,140
knew about perverts and I said and at

1166
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:00,740
first I thought okay it's a joke right

1167
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:06,240
you know smart kid from New York and now

1168
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:08,370
you guys know I can't well none of my

1169
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,020
friends as far as me and they wouldn't

1170
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:11,760
think of this I was in Tucson I could

1171
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:13,740
have thought of it okay so I none of my

1172
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:15,870
friends I had these you know my Irish

1173
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:17,970
and Italian friends from the Civil Air

1174
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:20,010
Patrol they you know they were just kids

1175
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:23,970
on the street you know and and then so

1176
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:26,070
maybe it must be an adult like it must

1177
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:28,500
be an at all and then when they when

1178
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:30,450
they said give us you a decision when

1179
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:31,770
the Metallica reason give me you know

1180
00:47:38,090 --> 00:47:34,640
gives you a decision I was conflicted

1181
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:38,100
because I was of course curious but I

1182
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:41,250
was also afraid and I remember you're

1183
00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:46,680
thinking this could be a trick yes and

1184
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,020
and but I remember I was thinking no and

1185
00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:54,300
I felt an electric like thing go from

1186
00:47:57,860 --> 00:47:55,950
the base of my spine up to there I

1187
00:48:00,440 --> 00:47:57,870
didn't know about Kundalini there was a

1188
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:00,450
business and I heard myself I heard

1189
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,890
myself like involuntary say yes when he

1190
00:48:09,260 --> 00:48:06,240
asked whether you're willing to be part

1191
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:09,270
of this yes you want it you wanted to

1192
00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:10,380
say no but

1193
00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:12,550
some type of charge when from your back

1194
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,470
to your brain yes made you say yes maybe

1195
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,240
say yes although I was in comfort

1196
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:17,440
because you know I also want to know

1197
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:18,670
what the hell's going on right I mean

1198
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:23,130
cuz venture for me to the kids right and

1199
00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:27,220
and then that then it said then it said

1200
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:30,340
could go to your fire escape and we'll

1201
00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:31,930
send a ship to pick you up in ten

1202
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:37,950
minutes okay at that point I got scared

1203
00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:42,250
you know I got spooked and it was a

1204
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,560
summer night I ran I'd lived we lived on

1205
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:46,960
the third floor I think I ran like a cat

1206
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:49,270
out of hell out of my paw my mother

1207
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:51,460
wasn't there I was by myself and I ran

1208
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:53,050
downstairs in the streets New York City

1209
00:49:00,300 --> 00:48:55,330
streets this is a I this is a Catholic

1210
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:00,310
German Italian Irish neighborhood okay

1211
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:03,970
where my mom I had I used to I had I

1212
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:06,490
could eat at Paddy's Irish bar free food

1213
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:09,610
and it was character everybody like my

1214
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:13,270
mom I was able you know everything you

1215
00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:15,250
know the the parents took care of the

1216
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:15,640
kids

1217
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:17,530
this was a whole different this is like

1218
00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:21,010
nineteen in 1953 Brooklyn Flatbush right

1219
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:23,260
Brooklyn College Flatbush Nostrand

1220
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:26,490
Avenue I ran down I had a gang I find

1221
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:32,230
the Neo ligado and his brother and my

1222
00:49:36,330 --> 00:49:33,040
friend Winkie

1223
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:36,340
these are Winkies he's a tough Irish kid

1224
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:40,690
later he went into the Marines became a

1225
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:42,490
police New York City police homicide

1226
00:49:47,370 --> 00:49:46,360
detective okay tough kids a neil and

1227
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:47,380
norman ligado

1228
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:49,720
i mean we've all in the Civil Air Patrol

1229
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:52,690
you know this is these are like like

1230
00:49:56,190 --> 00:49:54,730
tough kids I said flying saucers just

1231
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:56,200
contacted me we gotta go upstairs are

1232
00:50:00,120 --> 00:49:58,090
gonna come and get me you know this

1233
00:50:04,170 --> 00:50:00,130
could be a movie right I mean we run

1234
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:04,180
upstairs behind got my gang okay and we

1235
00:50:09,330 --> 00:50:06,010
go to the fire escape nothing ever

1236
00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:09,340
happened that was it but you won't by

1237
00:50:13,020 --> 00:50:10,750
yourself here with the other girl with

1238
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:13,030
the other guys you gone there by

1239
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:14,170
yourself we don't know what would happen

1240
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:15,280
we don't know what would happen I don't

1241
00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:18,790
know but I was okay but so okay so so

1242
00:50:23,110 --> 00:50:21,550
that's like I'm reliving it now I'm not

1243
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:23,120
making this

1244
00:50:28,010 --> 00:50:26,070
well and you certainly have no incentive

1245
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:28,020
to be no I'm no intruder because it

1246
00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:29,400
seems to me your your chances of getting

1247
00:50:34,010 --> 00:50:31,230
the Trump meeting go down the more that

1248
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:34,020
you talk about this crazy night but you

1249
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:37,050
know what maybe not because there's

1250
00:50:42,310 --> 00:50:38,250
another thing you know about Trump's

1251
00:50:46,850 --> 00:50:42,320
uncle I know that you referenced him

1252
00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:46,860
uncle his father's brother yeah John

1253
00:50:56,420 --> 00:50:50,870
Trump MIT engineering professor

1254
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:56,430
aerospace has the only guy who has

1255
00:51:00,740 --> 00:50:59,220
access to that had the Tesla papers when

1256
00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:00,750
the man Tesla a lot of this stuff

1257
00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:02,580
physics I'm talking relates to some of

1258
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:05,100
the Tesla work on near electromagnetic

1259
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:08,130
fields so and then what was the guy who

1260
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:09,720
became secretary of defense was a

1261
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:11,190
student John chomps he hadn't resigned

1262
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,690
because they had oh he beat up his wife

1263
00:51:16,820 --> 00:51:14,880
or something happened with his life I'm

1264
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,830
not sure you know the guy who resigned

1265
00:51:23,810 --> 00:51:18,720
before the president defense secretary

1266
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:23,820
was a student of Mattia no not man a

1267
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:25,770
secretary defense yeah I forget his name

1268
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:26,490
right now

1269
00:51:30,830 --> 00:51:28,200
they say secretary he was a student of

1270
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:30,840
John Trump's at MIT engineering guy and

1271
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:32,280
he kind of resigned there's some scandal

1272
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:36,480
he had a resign and but in any case it

1273
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:39,390
was John Trump's student who became

1274
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:40,440
Secretary of Defense where I think

1275
00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:43,950
released the tick-tack papers he had to

1276
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:46,820
do so this whole thing is very you know

1277
00:51:51,620 --> 00:51:49,050
they were connected with characters here

1278
00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:51,630
we know you don't say no I think I think

1279
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,550
Trump probably knows enough of what's

1280
00:51:57,350 --> 00:51:56,160
really going on that he takes this he

1281
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:57,360
would take it seriously

1282
00:52:01,580 --> 00:51:59,400
I can you know I could be with truck but

1283
00:52:03,590 --> 00:52:01,590
I have a close friend well Michael

1284
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:03,600
Savage is close friend of mine Michael

1285
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:05,310
Sams close friends trumps Trump calls

1286
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:07,590
him up you know okay Michael's been on

1287
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:10,500
Air Force One he's been to Oval Office

1288
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,190
many times and I know exactly I

1289
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,440
understand Trump I mean I father his

1290
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:18,720
tweets every morning I see what he's you

1291
00:52:23,330 --> 00:52:20,130
know what his mind is that he's the most

1292
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:23,340
transparent president ever okay so any

1293
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:25,140
case I'm telling the truth about what

1294
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:26,730
happened now here's the thing now why

1295
00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:28,170
did it take so let's get back to your

1296
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:31,860
you know why did it take so long it took

1297
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:33,510
so long because of the woowoo factor

1298
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,700
okay

1299
00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:37,040
and whenever I was asked about this I

1300
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:38,660
would say well I don't know if this was

1301
00:52:44,110 --> 00:52:42,320
really what a pretended be because prior

1302
00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:44,120
to my phone call it turns out I was

1303
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:47,870
examined by armed by the army because my

1304
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:51,170
grandfather worked for the army this is

1305
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,570
what between the ages of like 10 and 11

1306
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:54,800
maybe 12

1307
00:53:00,460 --> 00:52:56,990
I was living with my grandparents my

1308
00:53:03,070 --> 00:53:00,470
grandfather was a drove cars for the

1309
00:53:04,570 --> 00:53:03,080
army at the army quartermaster Corps

1310
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:04,580
down in the garment district in

1311
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:06,860
Manhattan me and John want to make a

1312
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:11,030
building and and that's because his son

1313
00:53:18,370 --> 00:53:16,130
my uncle Arthur was a and he was four

1314
00:53:21,550 --> 00:53:18,380
years in the South Pacific in combat

1315
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:21,560
okay and he got a reputation I won't go

1316
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:22,910
into all the details he was on

1317
00:53:28,570 --> 00:53:26,240
Guadalcanal all kinds of stuff and he he

1318
00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:28,580
got a reputation of being psychic like

1319
00:53:31,870 --> 00:53:29,780
well whatever they would go out on

1320
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:31,880
patrol everybody they want to go to

1321
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:33,770
oughta know something he was just so

1322
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:36,350
he'd see he say see he'd see a [\h__\h]

1323
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:38,900
hidden pardon me maybe put it good he

1324
00:53:43,390 --> 00:53:41,210
see a [\h__\h] in in you know in the jungle

1325
00:53:47,410 --> 00:53:43,400
and the tree a sniper and he's seen it

1326
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,420
shoot it so he had like this six so they

1327
00:53:52,510 --> 00:53:49,760
made because of my uncle Arthur they may

1328
00:53:54,070 --> 00:53:52,520
have been wanting to examine me to see

1329
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:54,080
see and then it was part of this project

1330
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:55,790
but they were looking for psychic powers

1331
00:53:59,740 --> 00:53:58,370
so in in case when was that project was

1332
00:54:01,900 --> 00:53:59,750
that before after your phone call no

1333
00:54:04,570 --> 00:54:01,910
this is before the phone call the army

1334
00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:04,580
the army to you what about the the

1335
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:06,440
psychic that was after that was after

1336
00:54:11,950 --> 00:54:09,650
that was at those high school so but the

1337
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:11,960
point is I would go down after school I

1338
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:15,110
would go down you know get on the subway

1339
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:16,610
go down to John Wanamaker building and

1340
00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:18,050
hang out with my grandfather and but

1341
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:20,260
here's the weird thing about it I

1342
00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:23,660
remember sitting in cars army cars in

1343
00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:26,600
the backseat with these Colonel's my

1344
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:29,240
grandfather driving the car talking to

1345
00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:30,650
me and I was in - sighs you know

1346
00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:32,540
building rockets there I realized these

1347
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:33,980
were army psychiatrists they were

1348
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:35,810
testing me and there was examining me

1349
00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:37,910
right also I was able to play they had I

1350
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,590
remember different floors there was one

1351
00:54:42,700 --> 00:54:40,640
floor where they had

1352
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:42,710
arctic clothing another four jungle

1353
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:44,090
clothing all this kind of like uniform

1354
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:47,330
and I was given free rein you know kid

1355
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:49,370
like 10 11 News I was able to go it was

1356
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:51,890
like my playground I would spend you

1357
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:54,890
know lots of time there and then here's

1358
00:55:00,070 --> 00:54:57,830
the weird and I can't I can't say for

1359
00:55:02,290 --> 00:55:00,080
sure because I may be manufacturing

1360
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:02,300
something here but when i saw colonel

1361
00:55:10,270 --> 00:55:06,530
philip corso picture in the day after

1362
00:55:10,750 --> 00:55:10,280
Roswell flesh he was the guy in the

1363
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:10,760
backseat

1364
00:55:15,790 --> 00:55:14,240
talking to me about you know we talked

1365
00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:15,800
about spying sources all kinds of stuff

1366
00:55:21,490 --> 00:55:19,190
so I and this was right around 1950

1367
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:21,500
around that time so there's a you know

1368
00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:26,480
it may have been Corso okay and and and

1369
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:29,390
don't kick so but here says okay so that

1370
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:32,960
why okay so I knew I couldn't okay be

1371
00:55:37,060 --> 00:55:34,850
the army I was involved in they were

1372
00:55:38,890 --> 00:55:37,070
trying to get kids to work on these

1373
00:55:41,980 --> 00:55:38,900
problems they were worried about Roswell

1374
00:55:43,930 --> 00:55:41,990
47 I was told by a guy named George

1375
00:55:46,450 --> 00:55:43,940
Koopman who was since dead died under

1376
00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:46,460
mysterious circumstances army guy he

1377
00:55:51,370 --> 00:55:48,860
said the two things the CIA wants to

1378
00:55:53,710 --> 00:55:51,380
know how does consciousness work and had

1379
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:53,720
a sources fly we're basically that was

1380
00:55:59,260 --> 00:55:55,490
given I was given like a mission work on

1381
00:56:00,850 --> 00:55:59,270
those two problems okay in some of these

1382
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:00,860
other guys like Hal is on that you said

1383
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:02,830
you connected with 20 years later yeah

1384
00:56:09,490 --> 00:56:07,130
similar yes visitations well I did how I

1385
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:09,500
had privately you have to have how come

1386
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:11,450
on your show and you asked him how had

1387
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:12,950
some weird things happening as a kid

1388
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:14,450
around the same time they'd be looping

1389
00:56:19,630 --> 00:56:17,360
before okay let me ask this question if

1390
00:56:23,230 --> 00:56:19,640
it turns out that it was just a prank

1391
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:23,240
that happened to you in 1953 how does

1392
00:56:28,330 --> 00:56:27,110
that okay well okay here's the thing in

1393
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:28,340
other words you could have developed

1394
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,890
this with your own brain as well I don't

1395
00:56:35,380 --> 00:56:32,480
think I'm that smart I'm actually humble

1396
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:35,390
and diffident modest and shy at least it

1397
00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:41,320
that way but no here's the thing

1398
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:44,180
everything about you just said made a

1399
00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:48,710
lot of sense until December 2017 till

1400
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:49,430
Tic Tac

1401
00:56:54,430 --> 00:56:52,910
was revealed see because that's like

1402
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:54,440
that was that's the cosmic trigger

1403
00:56:59,920 --> 00:56:57,620
that's the thing that's right that's now

1404
00:57:00,730 --> 00:56:59,930
I know what happened but I say I know

1405
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:00,740
what happen

1406
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:04,790
90% 95% probability you know confidence

1407
00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:06,530
level you know what's called Bayes

1408
00:57:10,570 --> 00:57:09,020
theorem you know I mean overall but

1409
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:10,580
you're saying we use first saw Tic Tac

1410
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:12,710
that immediately caused your mind to go

1411
00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:15,770
back to 1953 and you're saying that aha

1412
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:18,560
that's what communicated with me yeah

1413
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:21,530
yeah yeah well the thing is this also i

1414
00:57:27,490 --> 00:57:24,590
know i-i-i now reject that it was just

1415
00:57:29,830 --> 00:57:27,500
the CIA army intelligence I mean it

1416
00:57:31,210 --> 00:57:29,840
could be that that's part of it it could

1417
00:57:32,410 --> 00:57:31,220
be that you know it could be more

1418
00:57:34,210 --> 00:57:32,420
complex it could be both

1419
00:57:35,770 --> 00:57:34,220
some one or the other right could be

1420
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:35,780
because some of these guys have also

1421
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,210
been contacted who knows see him as a

1422
00:57:42,460 --> 00:57:40,160
matter of fact what am I talking about

1423
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:42,470
Andre up a harsh a drape a heart was

1424
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:44,510
army intelligence back in then at that

1425
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:46,940
time the late 40s 50s and he's a contact

1426
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:49,070
II it could have been Andrea the hearts

1427
00:57:54,250 --> 00:57:50,510
behind it because he's pops up in my

1428
00:57:56,590 --> 00:57:54,260
life all the time and I reach was

1429
00:57:57,609 --> 00:57:56,600
connected with oh you know who else was

1430
00:58:00,550 --> 00:57:57,619
involved this who's the guy to

1431
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,560
Scientology guy well ron Hubbard was

1432
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:02,720
part of it and also he was saying and

1433
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:07,150
also Jack Parsons you know about that

1434
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:10,580
stuff oh you know I know Parsons partner

1435
00:58:15,609 --> 00:58:14,180
I know Frank Frank Molina I was in love

1436
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:15,619
with Frank Molina in Paris I mean

1437
00:58:18,730 --> 00:58:17,390
there's all these connections there all

1438
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:18,740
these learning connections where you

1439
00:58:22,990 --> 00:58:20,570
probe into it's all it's like a tight

1440
00:58:24,670 --> 00:58:23,000
network of coincidences can't all be a

1441
00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:24,680
coincidence okay

1442
00:58:32,620 --> 00:58:29,600
and so when you saw the check tak when

1443
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:32,630
that was finally remember of 17 everyone

1444
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:36,260
satanic then I know this is it look it

1445
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:37,820
could be it's an arm

1446
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:40,430
there's certainly is an intelligence

1447
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:43,430
operation going on long-term I'm also

1448
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:45,140
friends with you know I don't feel James

1449
00:58:52,270 --> 00:58:47,330
sees this Angleton was you know he was

1450
00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:52,280
you know James you say well oh s hacen

1451
00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:54,500
but he was they he was the guy in

1452
00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:56,300
counterintelligence looking for the mole

1453
00:59:02,349 --> 00:59:00,380
you know any case is his grandson and I

1454
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:02,359
had calls friends know and then and it

1455
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:06,970
turns out his grandson confirms that

1456
00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:09,920
James angleton was very worried about

1457
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,790
the UFO thing that Roswell that the CIA

1458
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:16,160
one was created it was created partly

1459
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:19,270
because things like the Roswell crash

1460
00:59:22,810 --> 00:59:21,500
okay and there's all kinds of other

1461
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:22,820
things I got to be real careful cuz I

1462
00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:25,010
have friends I have I have a friend

1463
00:59:29,980 --> 00:59:28,520
who's very well positioned guy and I

1464
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:29,990
don't want to mention because he's

1465
00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:31,420
involved with a very prestigious

1466
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:34,670
organization who actually had possession

1467
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,770
of the Roswell material for a week he

1468
00:59:42,250 --> 00:59:39,440
was working for the CIA back in late 60s

1469
00:59:46,420 --> 00:59:42,260
and there's a whole story there okay so

1470
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:46,430
far what you've told me causes me to

1471
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:48,710
think it is even more likely that in

1472
00:59:57,820 --> 00:59:51,530
fact these tic-tacs that were seen and

1473
01:00:00,430 --> 00:59:57,830
was for and in 2015 are us craft and the

1474
01:00:02,109 --> 01:00:00,440
reason I say that is you've told me that

1475
01:00:04,180 --> 01:00:02,119
this for me that you've come up with is

1476
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:04,190
very simple you say you're the only one

1477
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:05,510
that has it but you says that these

1478
01:00:12,820 --> 01:00:07,010
other people are idiots not to know they

1479
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:12,830
did get ok formula and with billions of

1480
01:00:17,020 --> 01:00:14,810
dollars this could be you know

1481
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:17,030
manhattan-style project as you said with

1482
01:00:21,340 --> 01:00:18,650
billions of dollars this could be built

1483
01:00:25,090 --> 01:00:21,350
and we know that the black project

1484
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:25,100
budget according to Nick cook I think is

1485
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:26,690
wonderful you know has been over 30

1486
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,570
billion dollars per year for many for

1487
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:31,760
decades now essentially so that those

1488
01:00:36,250 --> 01:00:33,770
monies could be going to have developed

1489
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:36,260
that and the u.s. did in fact developed

1490
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:39,020
us okay I agree with you that's a

1491
01:00:44,050 --> 01:00:41,210
reasonable proposition

1492
01:00:46,330 --> 01:00:44,060
okay the reason I don't think it's true

1493
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:46,340
is because of guys like Chris Mellon and

1494
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:48,050
how put off how part of us held the

1495
01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:52,000
highest security clearances possible and

1496
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:55,300
he doesn't know Chris Mellon

1497
01:01:01,720 --> 01:00:59,090
you know deputy assistant secretary of

1498
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:01,730
defense for intelligence Pentagon

1499
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:04,010
doesn't know well they say they don't

1500
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:07,520
know no no I've been touched they would

1501
01:01:11,950 --> 01:01:09,650
tell you if they know no because I'd the

1502
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:11,960
questions he asks I know he doesn't know

1503
01:01:15,070 --> 01:01:13,490
he's very concerned about he just wrote

1504
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:15,080
in fact just read his article he a

1505
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:17,510
Christian wrote her an article in the

1506
01:01:20,109 --> 01:01:19,160
American Legion magazine I think I sent

1507
01:01:21,579 --> 01:01:20,119
you

1508
01:01:23,529 --> 01:01:21,589
and he's talking how this could be a

1509
01:01:24,970 --> 01:01:23,539
Pearl Harbor and support he but I

1510
01:01:27,490 --> 01:01:24,980
couldn't these black projects be so

1511
01:01:30,010 --> 01:01:27,500
siloed that even somebody when I don't I

1512
01:01:31,299 --> 01:01:30,020
don't know I don't think so because

1513
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,309
there's no way to keep something like

1514
01:01:35,260 --> 01:01:33,440
that a secret for so many years no way

1515
01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:35,270
it's gonna I wish that's what that was

1516
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:37,220
my original point so I had experts on

1517
01:01:40,690 --> 01:01:38,809
who told me that self technology was

1518
01:01:42,910 --> 01:01:40,700
kept a secret yeah and the guy the guy

1519
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:42,920
who said is claiming that he has give me

1520
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:44,690
a bunch of [\h__\h] about the 1g if it's

1521
01:01:48,339 --> 01:01:46,430
the same guy right no this is just

1522
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:48,349
experts about you know the Nick cooks of

1523
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:48,799
the world

1524
01:01:53,260 --> 01:01:51,010
okay well the cook is working with me

1525
01:01:55,539 --> 01:01:53,270
Nick cook and we're on the same team so

1526
01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:55,549
he told me a story he you know I I said

1527
01:01:59,230 --> 01:01:57,260
gee I can't imagine this being able to

1528
01:02:01,839 --> 01:01:59,240
be kept secret for at least two decades

1529
01:02:03,010 --> 01:02:01,849
and I believe it was Nick or maybe some

1530
01:02:04,539 --> 01:02:03,020
other experts you said well actually

1531
01:02:06,220 --> 01:02:04,549
there have been technologies that have

1532
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:06,230
been kept secret that long yeah but not

1533
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:07,970
this is too this is too dramatic of

1534
01:02:13,930 --> 01:02:10,730
technology and I mean it's I don't I

1535
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:13,940
listen I can't say you're wrong I give

1536
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,710
what you're saying low fairly low

1537
01:02:21,309 --> 01:02:18,079
probably maybe 25% probability I think

1538
01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:21,319
it's a you know my position I say 75

1539
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:22,660
percent probability

1540
01:02:30,730 --> 01:02:27,770
oddly enough in October of 2017

1541
01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:30,740
I was with Hal put off in kid green in

1542
01:02:35,529 --> 01:02:33,260
London when they were setting up the

1543
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:35,539
release of the information on tic-tac

1544
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:37,010
you know they're they're part of the to

1545
01:02:41,529 --> 01:02:38,510
the stars Academy what's that guy the

1546
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:41,539
the rock star what's his name Tom

1547
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:44,930
DeLonge yeah and and we were like doing

1548
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:46,880
things and then a phone call would come

1549
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:48,799
in and and how I'd have to get out of

1550
01:02:52,029 --> 01:02:50,900
the room for a private he was probably

1551
01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:52,039
talking to all these guys about

1552
01:02:57,010 --> 01:02:53,900
releasing the information on Tic Tac Toe

1553
01:02:59,769 --> 01:02:57,020
okay but I know at the time that Howe

1554
01:03:01,930 --> 01:02:59,779
had not a clue about how it really

1555
01:03:03,370 --> 01:03:01,940
worked how old he had like half the

1556
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,380
thing what Hal has done how his

1557
01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:05,599
published papers showing that if you had

1558
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:07,000
this kind of warp drive

1559
01:03:10,690 --> 01:03:09,410
how close would metric engineering and I

1560
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,700
could that's what's called metric

1561
01:03:14,769 --> 01:03:12,319
engineering is the key word if you had

1562
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:14,779
gravitational metric engineering what

1563
01:03:20,650 --> 01:03:17,380
Hal there was to show how what commander

1564
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:20,660
frivolity I'd woodsy flavor

1565
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:22,910
bravery right yeah David flavor thank

1566
01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:26,000
you well what he would see but how had

1567
01:03:30,190 --> 01:03:28,190
not a clue about how you can achieve

1568
01:03:31,539 --> 01:03:30,200
that with small amounts of energy you

1569
01:03:32,980 --> 01:03:31,549
see how a still under the pressure would

1570
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:32,990
take enormous amount of entries how does

1571
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:33,480
it work

1572
01:03:39,859 --> 01:03:36,990
and I solved the energy and still though

1573
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,869
the real trick you you you say it's

1574
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,000
absolutely possible to do is actually

1575
01:03:47,569 --> 01:03:44,880
somewhat somebody's it because someone

1576
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:47,579
has don't you say the biggest trick is

1577
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:49,290
gonna be figuring out exactly how to

1578
01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:51,150
make this minimum yeah that's that's

1579
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:52,950
that's analogous like trying to figure

1580
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:55,530
out Oakridge how to refine the required

1581
01:04:01,040 --> 01:03:58,530
isotopes of uranium and plutonium needed

1582
01:04:02,810 --> 01:04:01,050
to get a fission bomb or to solve the

1583
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:02,820
implosion problem to get a fusion bomb

1584
01:04:06,050 --> 01:04:04,740
okay is that that's the engineering

1585
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:06,060
that's the engineering physics part

1586
01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:08,730
that's the hard part by the way one more

1587
01:04:12,140 --> 01:04:10,200
question I forgot to ask about the the

1588
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:12,150
tick tack in this magnetic field and so

1589
01:04:17,710 --> 01:04:14,010
on gravity field gravity force our

1590
01:04:22,339 --> 01:04:20,839
how would that cause a disturbance say

1591
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:22,349
in the water you know they talk about

1592
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:23,849
disturbance they saw in the water but

1593
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,420
yeah it could I mean it doesn't have to

1594
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:29,280
you have all kinds of pie you could it's

1595
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:31,619
like you could for example if you want

1596
01:04:36,020 --> 01:04:33,839
to you could emit gravitational waves

1597
01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:36,030
that would cause that disturbance there

1598
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:37,380
could be some kind of communication with

1599
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:39,150
something else and so you could do that

1600
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:40,319
but you don't want to do it if I was a

1601
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:42,150
flight you could use it as a weapon

1602
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:43,650
you could beam these like a

1603
01:04:48,020 --> 01:04:46,650
gravitational wave laser at something I

1604
01:04:49,550 --> 01:04:48,030
mean you could do there's all kinds of

1605
01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:49,560
possibilities yeah you can explain it

1606
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:50,099
with that

1607
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,540
once you've controlled the gravitational

1608
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:53,280
you control everything and what about it

1609
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:55,500
traveling under water does it make sense

1610
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,780
sure son you're oh yeah take that go

1611
01:05:02,990 --> 01:04:59,520
into water because it's yeah it's just

1612
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:03,000
slipping sure there's no problem would

1613
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:05,460
it go under what it tracker in the same

1614
01:05:10,339 --> 01:05:07,410
way that it would travel through space

1615
01:05:12,290 --> 01:05:10,349
or well that's I know that's a good

1616
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:12,300
question and I don't want to give a flip

1617
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:14,250
answer that no probably not because

1618
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:16,050
though because when you change in the

1619
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:17,460
gravitational field around the water

1620
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:18,839
then you're making water waves and

1621
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:20,520
churning and ya know it's not quite the

1622
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:22,710
same not quite this is so what about

1623
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,569
speed could have traveled the same speed

1624
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:26,880
underwater well they said it travel if I

1625
01:05:33,020 --> 01:05:31,170
owe their reports 500 miles an hour but

1626
01:05:36,349 --> 01:05:33,030
based on your conception of what this

1627
01:05:37,940 --> 01:05:36,359
thing would be could have traveled just

1628
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,950
as fast underwater or do you think no

1629
01:05:41,900 --> 01:05:39,839
it'd be likely done probably not i I

1630
01:05:43,579 --> 01:05:41,910
don't listen this is something that I'm

1631
01:05:46,099 --> 01:05:43,589
not an engineer that's a good question

1632
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:46,109
I'm I guess my lying my educated guess

1633
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:46,530
is that

1634
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:48,690
would be more limited because the

1635
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:50,310
gravitational disturbance is good to

1636
01:05:55,340 --> 01:05:52,290
serve the water you can in fact you did

1637
01:06:00,530 --> 01:05:55,350
see the services in water am I correct

1638
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,540
also that this invention would not have

1639
01:06:04,310 --> 01:06:02,880
that much utility in space per se

1640
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:04,320
because you don't have gravitational

1641
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:07,890
pulls in space no no no it has no no of

1642
01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:09,510
course in space in space you want to

1643
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,190
it's a it's a starship

1644
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:12,960
you wanna get you want to get to an

1645
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:15,210
exoplanet you want to build wormhole a

1646
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:17,130
Stargate you in you have to engineer the

1647
01:06:21,260 --> 01:06:18,420
gravitational field there's plenty of

1648
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:21,270
gravity in an empty space I mean the

1649
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:23,070
earth the Sun is pulling all the planets

1650
01:06:26,780 --> 01:06:25,410
this gravitational well you have well

1651
01:06:28,580 --> 01:06:26,790
but but but there doesn't seem to me

1652
01:06:32,090 --> 01:06:28,590
that there's such gravity that it

1653
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:32,100
inhibits yeah but you travel no like

1654
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:34,170
what's the gravitational pole when I

1655
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,570
leave the Earth's atmosphere well enough

1656
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:38,400
enough to control planet the point is

1657
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:40,050
you want it you wanted no you want to do

1658
01:06:43,850 --> 01:06:41,310
the same thing space that you're doing

1659
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:43,860
oh yeah and you want to but you may want

1660
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:47,310
to make a wormhole to get from here to

1661
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:49,650
Alpha Centauri and in two minutes you

1662
01:06:52,990 --> 01:06:52,500
know we go to bars okay okay here's the

1663
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:53,000
other thing

1664
01:07:01,160 --> 01:06:58,410
hey Ilan Musk if you're listening Elon

1665
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:01,170
Musk if you're listening Richard Branson

1666
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:05,570
who's in Branson guys Bezos Jeff Bezos

1667
01:07:12,050 --> 01:07:08,730
yeah if your phasers you're wasting your

1668
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:12,060
money man you're doing in science what

1669
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:14,490
bloomberg's don't even politics you're

1670
01:07:19,370 --> 01:07:16,050
barking up the wrong tree

1671
01:07:21,740 --> 01:07:19,380
yeah yeah it's stupid

1672
01:07:23,810 --> 01:07:21,750
developing Rockets is stupid and with

1673
01:07:25,820 --> 01:07:23,820
that kind of money Jeff Bezos those guys

1674
01:07:28,310 --> 01:07:25,830
they get this thing done in six months

1675
01:07:30,260 --> 01:07:28,320
maybe in one year with that with those

1676
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:30,270
kinds of resources doesn't even have to

1677
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:33,930
be the government so this Randall Bailey

1678
01:07:36,980 --> 01:07:35,550
maybe if they listen to you they main

1679
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:36,990
sooner so the chick tax should be able

1680
01:07:43,490 --> 01:07:38,850
to get from Earth to Mars and in how

1681
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:43,500
much time split-second in principle for

1682
01:07:47,450 --> 01:07:45,780
the wormhole a couple of minutes you've

1683
01:07:49,340 --> 01:07:47,460
walked through it you bought what we

1684
01:07:52,450 --> 01:07:49,350
could say what it was metric engineering

1685
01:07:56,060 --> 01:07:52,460
we could set up a traversable wormhole

1686
01:07:58,850 --> 01:07:56,070
connecting earth with Mars and literally

1687
01:08:00,590 --> 01:07:58,860
millions of people walk through it and

1688
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:00,600
they're just like going through a door

1689
01:08:06,350 --> 01:08:00,810
and

1690
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:06,360
metamaterial well with maybe not so much

1691
01:08:09,950 --> 01:08:07,650
this particular matter of its here but

1692
01:08:12,050 --> 01:08:09,960
with the kind once you have this basic

1693
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:12,060
insight how to control the gravitational

1694
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:13,740
fear there's gonna be other creative

1695
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:15,090
people coming in with all kinds of

1696
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:17,250
applications and ideas baby man was here

1697
01:08:21,170 --> 01:08:18,870
maybe something else yeah I'm looking at

1698
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:21,180
it from a very obviously simplistic view

1699
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:23,040
of gravity right because I'm just

1700
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:24,089
thinking about controlling the

1701
01:08:27,770 --> 01:08:25,770
gravitational field with small amounts

1702
01:08:30,650 --> 01:08:27,780
of energy that's the key idea and once

1703
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:30,660
you can do that you know how does that

1704
01:08:34,099 --> 01:08:32,490
allow you to zip through the universe

1705
01:08:36,140 --> 01:08:34,109
that's the part that I'm cause yeah but

1706
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:36,150
because wait because guys just to finish

1707
01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:38,370
my thought yeah gravity is out there but

1708
01:08:43,340 --> 01:08:40,980
it's not that strong that we feel strong

1709
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:43,350
enough it's strong enough okay but it's

1710
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:44,970
not is it the thing but know what

1711
01:08:48,170 --> 01:08:46,170
gravity does well you're able to with

1712
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:48,180
the wormhole you could collapse the

1713
01:08:52,460 --> 01:08:50,670
distance between Earth and Mars in this

1714
01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:52,470
alternate okay and how do you create a

1715
01:08:56,990 --> 01:08:55,350
wormhole from the tic-tac we've gone

1716
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:57,000
from tic-tac to creating a wormhole you

1717
01:08:59,840 --> 01:08:58,170
connect those two things for me well

1718
01:09:02,540 --> 01:08:59,850
well the boy with the wormholes could

1719
01:09:06,230 --> 01:09:02,550
because the wormhole is just a solution

1720
01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:06,240
of Einstein's field equations as it's

1721
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:08,700
being generated from electrical energy

1722
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:11,310
so you just have to have the computer

1723
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:14,370
design a gravitational war field that

1724
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:16,890
will be a wormhole solution and connect

1725
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:18,390
with Mars I'm not saying how to do it

1726
01:09:22,190 --> 01:09:21,690
offhand but with the fact that the

1727
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:22,200
tic-tacs

1728
01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:26,940
here they're time-traveling from our

1729
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:29,670
future to our past okay stop right there

1730
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:31,980
what you just explained that hey you

1731
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:33,330
could create a wormhole we could travel

1732
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:35,130
somewhere super quickly anywhere in the

1733
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,290
universe so why couldn't that be what

1734
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:38,640
tic-tacs are as opposed to from the

1735
01:09:43,190 --> 01:09:41,370
future why can't they be from some unbe

1736
01:09:46,610 --> 01:09:43,200
they can be but they told me they were

1737
01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:46,620
from the future yeah thank you okay they

1738
01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:49,680
told me he told you in 1953 right okay

1739
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:51,390
so I'm going on the basis that's about

1740
01:09:58,660 --> 01:09:54,089
what John Wheeler says we have a few

1741
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:58,670
what iron clad iron posts of facts

1742
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:01,320
covered with a paper mache of theory and

1743
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:04,290
speculation okay so I'm just like you

1744
01:10:08,780 --> 01:10:06,120
know what's the guy dragged it just the

1745
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:08,790
facts man okay okay so I got like a cop

1746
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:11,730
okay I was told they're from the future

1747
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:14,710
and yeah I was told that so

1748
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:17,449
you've talked about to multiple

1749
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,130
incredible concepts we're on the round

1750
01:10:22,899 --> 01:10:20,960
at least three right now one is the Tic

1751
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,909
Tac and being mailed to design Tic Tac

1752
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:25,280
and saying you know two is being able to

1753
01:10:28,930 --> 01:10:26,750
create a wormhole that would allow you

1754
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,940
to travel you know instantaneously

1755
01:10:34,570 --> 01:10:31,760
throughout space and an entire verse and

1756
01:10:36,729 --> 01:10:34,580
then number three is I'm calling it a

1757
01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:36,739
third thing which is time travel back in

1758
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:37,580
time yeah

1759
01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:39,890
well because they that's usually you

1760
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:40,969
believe that's possible too

1761
01:10:46,930 --> 01:10:44,000
well I'd say that's the only way to

1762
01:10:49,390 --> 01:10:46,940
understand the facts of Tic Tac no we

1763
01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:49,400
were okay we already come upon one is

1764
01:10:51,550 --> 01:10:50,750
the US invented it the other said it

1765
01:10:55,630 --> 01:10:51,560
came from somewhere else in the universe

1766
01:10:59,020 --> 01:10:55,640
yeah okay but my my understanding of it

1767
01:11:02,680 --> 01:10:59,030
is because people like Chris melon and

1768
01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:02,690
how put off happens a clue and they were

1769
01:11:05,770 --> 01:11:04,340
certainly position to have a clue and

1770
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:05,780
because everybody a mitten the

1771
01:11:09,010 --> 01:11:07,520
government involved in dia stuff like

1772
01:11:10,899 --> 01:11:09,020
that but I get I I know why you don't

1773
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,909
think it's us yeah why don't you think

1774
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:11,840
it came from somewhere else in the

1775
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:15,890
universe uh it's possible it did but

1776
01:11:19,419 --> 01:11:18,080
then why would they contact me and

1777
01:11:21,220 --> 01:11:19,429
saying they were from the future so you

1778
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:21,230
know and now everything is fitting

1779
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:25,150
together okay and then because again

1780
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:27,770
1953 still could have been a hoax so

1781
01:11:31,630 --> 01:11:28,850
could have been a hoax so let's give a

1782
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:31,640
nice but I'm gonna been hooked so what

1783
01:11:37,780 --> 01:11:35,600
is your scientific explanation as to how

1784
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,790
something could travel back in time well

1785
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:38,960
that's the whole but some wormhole

1786
01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:43,670
physics the point is this that with the

1787
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:45,350
wormhole you could have time travel now

1788
01:11:48,970 --> 01:11:47,030
there are arguments by Stephen Hawking

1789
01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:48,980
and even Kip Thorne they're trying to

1790
01:11:55,419 --> 01:11:52,460
say that if you create a wormhole with

1791
01:11:57,729 --> 01:11:55,429
time travel it back from you know from

1792
01:12:01,479 --> 01:11:57,739
future to past that there's gonna be

1793
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:01,489
some catastrophe it but their arguments

1794
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:03,350
are basically hand waving and what I'm

1795
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:04,730
saying is that their arguments have to

1796
01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:07,250
be wrong because of the fact of the

1797
01:12:11,770 --> 01:12:09,500
tic-tac I'm because they told me they're

1798
01:12:14,169 --> 01:12:11,780
from the future everything my best

1799
01:12:16,689 --> 01:12:14,179
let's but my best analysis everything is

1800
01:12:18,669 --> 01:12:16,699
probabilities right my best judgment

1801
01:12:20,590 --> 01:12:18,679
from everything I know and everything

1802
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:20,600
it's happening is that the most probable

1803
01:12:24,220 --> 01:12:23,030
scenario is that they're time travelers

1804
01:12:25,180 --> 01:12:24,230
back from the future and by the way

1805
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:25,190
there's a bunch of other people

1806
01:12:27,670 --> 01:12:26,480
independently coming to that conclusion

1807
01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:27,680
I'm not the only

1808
01:12:32,860 --> 01:12:29,750
if you look at the coast I was on coast

1809
01:12:34,270 --> 01:12:32,870
to coast this is guy Robert masters you

1810
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:34,280
know and he was a who's not even

1811
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:36,050
physicists he's just from empirical

1812
01:12:39,820 --> 01:12:37,850
evidence he's some kind of evolutionary

1813
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:39,830
anthropologist very smart guy you should

1814
01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:43,310
actually have on your shelf and so let's

1815
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:44,300
put this way

1816
01:12:48,190 --> 01:12:46,460
I'd say the probably the most probable

1817
01:12:49,870 --> 01:12:48,200
thing that if I'm the future they could

1818
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:49,880
also be coming from elsewhere they could

1819
01:12:56,860 --> 01:12:54,800
be aliens but well maybe but both could

1820
01:12:58,180 --> 01:12:56,870
be true so both let's talk a little bit

1821
01:12:59,530 --> 01:12:58,190
about what we know about time is space

1822
01:13:02,410 --> 01:12:59,540
time because it's always fascinated me

1823
01:13:06,250 --> 01:13:02,420
this idea that time slows down as you

1824
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,260
speed up right and so you could the twin

1825
01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:08,480
theory that you have identical twins one

1826
01:13:14,050 --> 01:13:11,720
travels out in space and comes back and

1827
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:14,060
is much younger than well that's not

1828
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:15,230
that's not aspect that's the fact

1829
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:16,730
they've done that with me wizards and

1830
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:18,830
cosmic rays it's proven right oh that's

1831
01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:21,230
proven in fact if you were on the space

1832
01:13:25,890 --> 01:13:21,940
station

1833
01:13:28,660 --> 01:13:25,900
it's like point zero zero one second

1834
01:13:30,430 --> 01:13:28,670
younger than you would have been yeah if

1835
01:13:32,620 --> 01:13:30,440
you were if you see the movie

1836
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:32,630
interstellar see all that is accurate

1837
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:35,360
Kip Thorne who I know Caltech professor

1838
01:13:41,050 --> 01:13:39,440
faiman professor the expert see if you

1839
01:13:42,730 --> 01:13:41,060
see and that's the other thing Kip

1840
01:13:45,790 --> 01:13:42,740
Thorne oh the other thing the other

1841
01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:45,800
reasons I know it's not our guys Kip

1842
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:48,470
Thorne his students he has a lot of

1843
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:49,910
students he and John Wheeler John

1844
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:53,050
Wheeler had the highest level secure

1845
01:13:59,260 --> 01:13:55,730
security clearances he helped develop

1846
01:14:02,710 --> 01:13:59,270
the h-bomb with with Aunt Eller who I

1847
01:14:04,570 --> 01:14:02,720
also knew and Kip Thorne as a student

1848
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:04,580
Kip thought all of Kip Thorne has like a

1849
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:06,770
hundred students they run the Department

1850
01:14:10,900 --> 01:14:09,590
of Energy they run the NSF they run all

1851
01:14:12,580 --> 01:14:10,910
these programs at Lockheed well they

1852
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,590
said they and I know what they know and

1853
01:14:16,030 --> 01:14:14,000
it would Kip Thorne knows that's why I

1854
01:14:19,230 --> 01:14:16,040
know it's not our guys because if

1855
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:19,240
anybody would they'll be kept Thorne but

1856
01:14:23,650 --> 01:14:22,250
kept it so secret what what about the

1857
01:14:25,330 --> 01:14:23,660
fact though that you know we discovered

1858
01:14:29,410 --> 01:14:25,340
a nuclear energy and what year do you

1859
01:14:32,170 --> 01:14:29,420
attribute that to the 30s here we are a

1860
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hundred years later essentially we've

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had no major new discovery yep a long

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01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:39,020
time okay now you could see this why is

1863
01:14:41,140 --> 01:14:40,490
Jack Starfighter getting so much

1864
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opposition

1865
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from you know for the powers-that-be

1866
01:14:49,209 --> 01:14:45,590
about this maybe because they don't want

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01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:49,219
anybody to know okay you could say that

1868
01:14:53,740 --> 01:14:51,080
so that's not about giving me your faith

1869
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:53,750
right but we forgot the Russians we

1870
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:55,310
forgot the Russians they've gotta talk

1871
01:14:58,899 --> 01:14:56,960
about the Russians that Russia Russia

1872
01:15:01,209 --> 01:14:58,909
Russia right the residence all right

1873
01:15:02,890 --> 01:15:01,219
let's put a pin in Russian for a second

1874
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just I want to finish the time-travel

1875
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thing so what what we know and

1876
01:15:10,090 --> 01:15:08,270
apparently is proven is that if you

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travel the closer to the speed of light

1878
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the faster that you go the more time

1879
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slows down correct yes and so okay okay

1880
01:15:21,310 --> 01:15:19,909
let's just talking about okay let's

1881
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plane that to people yeah I just want to

1882
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make sure the first of all yeah I

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understand that

1884
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:26,840
what we do know yeah you're saying

1885
01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:28,550
that's not time travel I mean to some

1886
01:15:31,810 --> 01:15:30,350
extent you can travel into the future it

1887
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:31,820
doesn't go into the past exactly that's

1888
01:15:35,979 --> 01:15:34,159
especially even then it's arguable that

1889
01:15:38,350 --> 01:15:35,989
it's not really time travel it's just

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that travel times slowed down for you

1891
01:15:42,669 --> 01:15:39,860
but it is true that when you come back

1892
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after five years everybody on earth is

1893
01:15:48,970 --> 01:15:44,270
it's 50 years later so in that exactly

1894
01:15:50,590 --> 01:15:48,980
but that's not as that okay

1895
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:50,600
so what you're saying is the time the

1896
01:15:56,500 --> 01:15:53,810
the the the the time travel that we do

1897
01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:56,510
know about that is proven it's not

1898
01:15:59,979 --> 01:15:57,980
related to what you're talking about

1899
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which there's zero scientific evidence

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for therefore no the reason I the

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01:16:05,860 --> 01:16:03,710
evidence is the tic-tac itself the

1902
01:16:08,830 --> 01:16:05,870
tic-tac itself okay and also my

1903
01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:08,840
particular experiences which is not you

1904
01:16:12,490 --> 01:16:10,510
know you have to take a leap of faith

1905
01:16:14,770 --> 01:16:12,500
that it actually happened but there are

1906
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:14,780
other there are other yeah so in case

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01:16:20,620 --> 01:16:19,280
it's my purse my educated guess is that

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from the future and you think that it

1909
01:16:24,010 --> 01:16:22,610
obviously you think it is scientifically

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01:16:24,939 --> 01:16:24,020
possible to travel back in time

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absolutely

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01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,840
and but there's no formulas for that yet

1913
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,640
there's no real form we have plenty of

1914
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:30,560
formulas phonies are out there he would

1915
01:16:33,970 --> 01:16:32,090
keep throwing those forms out that would

1916
01:16:35,530 --> 01:16:33,980
prove that that's possible oh yeah that

1917
01:16:38,649 --> 01:16:35,540
said there's physical review of this

1918
01:16:40,810 --> 01:16:38,659
whole industry of theorists showing how

1919
01:16:42,729 --> 01:16:40,820
time travel may be possible

1920
01:16:44,770 --> 01:16:42,739
theoretically in terms of mindset yeah

1921
01:16:46,180 --> 01:16:44,780
back in time there are there problems

1922
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:46,190
where some people think that this

1923
01:16:50,140 --> 01:16:48,170
through quantum effects is gonna be as

1924
01:16:52,919 --> 01:16:50,150
soon as the worm hold that becomes a

1925
01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:52,929
time machine it's gonna blow up well

1926
01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:54,910
they're doing that spec

1927
01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:57,070
laney on quantum gravity theories which

1928
01:17:00,420 --> 01:16:58,570
nobody really has a good quantum gravity

1929
01:17:02,580 --> 01:17:00,430
theory yet so so that's the speculation

1930
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what I'm saying is that the fact of the

1931
01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:06,070
tic-tac revelations in December 2017 by

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:08,200
the US Navy all this stuff shows that

1933
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those speculations are somehow wrong

1934
01:17:13,530 --> 01:17:12,370
because the fact is because I was told

1935
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they are from the future and it makes

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sense that they're coming from the

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01:17:20,190 --> 01:17:17,710
future so and I again I could be wrong

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any good scientists well thank you again

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to dr. Jack Sarfati check him out on the

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web he's all over the place on the

1941
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Internet as well as his book Stace

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space-time and beyond which you can find

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on Amazon thank you to our producer

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Michael Parker thank you all for

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listening to the hidden Drew's show